Reacting to Nick Shirley's SHOCKING NYC Medicaid Fraud Investigation | Nick Shirley Reaction

[00:00:00] Everyone's innocent until proving guilty in a court of law. Today, I am going to react to Nick Shirley's latest video that he definitely started exposing a bunch of fraud in New York City. So, as always, I have not seen the tips of the thing being.

[00:00:28] I am going to wait until I record these videos. And today, I am going to react to Nick Shirleys' latest video that he just released 11 days ago, exposing a bunch of fraud in New York City. So, as always, I have not seen what this is. I intend to wait until I record these videos to watch them, so it's a genuine reaction.

[00:00:59] Some of you guys hilariously ghosted my Boyz on the last video, so I will try to work on that. ...and you said there's not 7,000 patients. Are you committing fraud? Does this daycare pay you to come here? Nobody will get... She said yes. ...Syr, three durable medical equipment companies were launched, and so we're wondering, like, where's the equipment at? She knows the whole lot.

[00:01:26] ...hard tax dollars that pay for old people to do tai chi here inside of New York. She might wonder, is that the best use of dollars, or should we be better off paying for lifesaving treatments in hospitals? One of the largest fraud schemes in America is taking place in New York City, as billions of dollars is being defrauded by organized Korean and Chinese mafias, along with other foreigners operating and stealing taxpayer dollars. They are using the elderly and the needy to bill the United States government billions of dollars at your expense.

[00:01:55] In the state of New York, government-funded personal assistance has become the number one fastest-growing industry in the state, going from $2.5 billion in 2019 to now nearly $12 billion in 2025. Oh my gosh, she's the mean king. It is an industry full of fraudsters who have taken advantage of the system, and as New York City leaves the state with funding and amount of providers, locations like Flushing, Queens have more than 70 adult daycares within just a few blocks.

[00:02:23] Some of these daycares receiving more than $40 million to watch the elderly play board games at the taxpayer's expense. And to see the fraud firsthand, we headed to an adult daycare who had received over $5 million, and they explained exactly how the fraud works and even led us to the main fraudsters in the area. Stay tuned because you're going to be shocked to see what our tax dollars are being spent on.

[00:02:47] If we're heading to one-stop senior daycare center, this place has billed $5.2 million in just 2025 alone, and they're averaging 276 beneficiaries per day, which is five times above the national average of just 48 beneficiaries a day. So they have five times the amount of people coming into this daycare each and every single day, and they billed $5.2 million. Let's go see what their operation looks like. It's on the second floor. We're going in. Here we go. Hello, sir. Hello.

[00:03:17] How are you? Is this one-stop daycare center? Right. Awesome. How are you doing, sir? How are you? Good. Nice to meet you. Amazing. We were wondering if we could check our grandma into daycare. Oh. Okay. Come on. Come on. Come on. That's like actually more promising. We were instantly welcomed in, and these individuals did something that no fraudster had ever done before and actually opened up and talked about their business. Now, it's super important to all this conversation.

[00:03:46] They're like, I don't know. They exposed exactly how the fraud happens. It's still fraudulent, but it's better fraud. Is there 270 people here today? No. No. Yeah. So right now, that was, when was that? 2025. Yeah. Last year. Last year. Most of the number is left. They left. Yeah. So last year was big business. Yeah. Now, it's like, you know, less than that. You can check up for the current of the building. So what happened to all the people? Oh, yeah. To everywhere else. We were, I mean, maybe you guys don't know what. Yeah.

[00:04:14] You're searching for the fraud or crime or something. So not here. I'm going to record. We have all, yeah. Oh, so you can tell us where the other fraud's at? We will, I mean, is this the record? Yeah. So we would love to, but we're very concerned. We were trying to maybe reach out to other actual government agencies. Yeah. But we're very careful because it's a concept of interest between us and other people. Yeah. Other daycare. But us, I'm actually glad that you guys came.

[00:04:39] You are the one, like, you know, the Minnesota, right? Yeah. We help America save lots of money. Yeah. And so, like, we're concerned about some of these crazy numbers. Like, 5.75 times the national average is quite a bit. You know, the current, we are the biggest daycare right now. Yeah. The size matter. The faculty is, like, the biggest right now. And this daycare truly was gigantic. Oh, that is great. It had a cafeteria, a ballroom, had an upstairs, had a massage room.

[00:05:09] A karaoke room. A room for people to do art. A pool table room. And even a place for them to play their own instruments. And now they started explaining why others were leaving their daycare to go to other daycares to receive kickbacks. They used to grow bigger. And then those members, every time they would come in, they would mention some sort of other benefits that they would get. Every time we rejected it, our channel, if you see the waves, it'll just keep getting discharged and discharged. So even this year, we hit maybe about a 200 to 400 member discharge.

[00:05:38] Almost simultaneously. And then we all find out that the reason is because other daycares are doing whatever you guys are aware of. So we're losing our members left and right. Interesting. Yeah. Now we're down to 120. And do you think, like, the fraud is real with these adult daycare centers? No. Can you say it? 100%. 100%. And us, I know, another daycare down there. The biggest places are losing the most members. But you guys don't commit fraud. That's why we're losing members. The numbers speak for themselves. Were you guys ever surprised by how much money you could make running an adult daycare?

[00:06:08] I mean, of course. But the funds to run a place this big, even the OIG, Inspector Generals, came last, around the end of the year. They did the whole bulk sweep. They did everything. They same place. They sat there. We had a whole meeting. We told them, frankly, this is how they operate this place. With the members that came in, we were able to barely manage the facility. And regretted them saying, the amount of staff that we had at that point was the same. But we weren't making much profit margin, even then we. So even during that time, they said, do you do any kickbacks? We opened the whole bulk. They inspected everything.

[00:06:37] They had, they see no margin for kickbacks. We had no funds to do even such a thing. Frankly, we're suffering, to be honest with two guys. Yeah. Really? So I need you guys help. Yeah, no. I need you guys help. How can we help? It's only places that we could send to. To do the same thing. And you'll really get whatever you need. Oh my God, these people are not committing the fraud. Yeah, we're actually committing the fraud. Or like, are they just like food buyers? I don't know if they're committing the fraud to be queer. Every daycare that you walk in is doing the same. Really? So how does the fraud work then?

[00:07:06] So like someone takes in the people and then they start getting kickbacks or they start building other transportation companies or their own medical. So just now I was in a consultation with two members. They've been here with us forever. However, they're telling us that all their funds are leaving. We already know what's going on. And these people? So they're telling me that every daycare that is doing it is teaching them how to like large people think about this. These people are like so good. They're treating the kickback as not a kickback. They're just thinking that it's, let's say, the CEO makes a profit margin. Because I don't even know. Are they friends? Then they give that margin back to the members.

[00:07:36] So they tell the members that that's not a kickback. We're telling them it doesn't matter. Then the funds should decrease so that there is no sufficient funds for them to actually flush it back out into the public. They don't understand that. So usually it's per member, per day, per referral. Who do you come with? How do you get them? How many people you bring? So like the way it works is an old person then tells their friends, hey, join us. Join this daycare. Then we get a kickback off of you joining like a referral program. Correct. Exactly.

[00:08:05] And they bill Medicare and Medicaid. Medicaid. Medicaid. So companies like you guys bill Medicaid. And so then these old people are giving kickbacks from Medicaid money to the old people. On a daycare that's giving the kickback to the referral. True. It's not Medicaid. The daycare. But with Medicaid money. Correct. And with that fund, when the specific daycare bills something per member, then there's

[00:08:33] basically deals that's going on between them two. You know what I mean? How many days do you get? Basically, let's say you come into my daycare and you have this amount of days. Then that's funds that I'm making off this one member. There is a kickback portion of that that goes back to that member. Wow. You have a referral or a large group. Usually people move in groups these days. So that's what's the... These old people are out recruiting people to come to certain daycares. Members and members themselves, friends, people that's all about money, money, money.

[00:09:01] You know, previous business owners have retired. Even the daycare itself, they have staff in there where stuff like that is... I can say that's why I want to close the business at this moment. Because I cannot, you know, contribute them like money. I cannot do that. So, yeah. Were you guys ever doing that? We then left and headed to the number one daycare in the area that's received over $44 million over the past few years. And this is how much money they received this year.

[00:09:30] We're outside of Sunrise Senior Service. In 2024, this adult daycare right here billed $12.9 million. In adult daycare, they paid $10.8 million. And in transportation, they paid $2.1 million. The last daycare we're at said this is the one that is taking all their clients and they're giving kickbacks. Let's go see what's going on. So, look right here. They just put them in this van right here. They bus these old people in and then they bring them in here and then they're taking kickbacks.

[00:10:00] Oh, we're going to Sunrise Senior Service. I am not looking over there. Oh, her? What will happen to you? Oh, I would like to sign my grandma for daycare. Oh, can you do that again? I would like to sign my grandma for daycare. Oh, she's American, right? Yeah, that's how you can tell it's fraud when they're like, oh, she's American, she can't come here. So, you're discriminating against Americans. That's how you can tell it's fraud. She's a grandma.

[00:10:28] Yeah, only Koreans here. So, I think she can get along with other people because Spain, they speak English. Oh, she speaks Korean. Oh, she speaks American. Yeah, American that speaks Korean. American, Korean, American? Yeah. Okay, then we'll grow. Okay. Her name's Debbie. Debbie. Yeah, she wants to come and play games with the old people. Are you here? Yeah, yeah. We're thinking not bringing her here. Not yet.

[00:11:02] Oh, oh my word. Everyone, calm down. Calm down. Is it true, like, if my grandma Debbie signs up, she can then, like, get a kickback and, like, get money? Yeah. What about the money? I know I've owned this too. What, to own money? I think you know. Like, someone was telling my grandma Debbie that if she comes here, then she can get money from the daycare. Oh, she's a member of the daycare? No, she wants to become a member to get money from the daycare. Oh.

[00:11:33] Great, yeah. So, we've got a grandma. Her name is Debbie. And she would, like, become a potential member of the daycare. Because we were over at another daycare. And they don't offer kickbacks. And so do you guys offer kickbacks? No. Of course not. So, that's what the other daycare was saying. Which daycare? That's cool. Just the one over there. What? I'm not going to do that. Because then we were doing, like, some numbers. And it said you guys made, like, $12.9 million in 2024.

[00:12:04] And, which is a lot of money. And then, like, $2.1 million for transportation companies. So, like, you guys billed $12.9 million. And then, out of that $12 million, $10 million was for adult daycare. And $2 million was for transportation. And so, they shouldn't be giving kickbacks. For the where? Where? Well, the other daycare. Because they didn't want to give us kickbacks. You should offer.

[00:12:33] No kickbacks. Do you think it's true that a lot of these daycares are, like, committing fraud? I heard some of the daycares are being fraud. Like, you just discriminated based on ethnicity. But you just don't do fraud. Where'd I come from? Before they found out that woman was Korean. We're just concerned about where our tax dollars are going. And how can you guys at the daycare receive the most amount of money here in Flushing? The math is the math thing. How many members do you have? I don't have to tell you. Because here it says you guys have $7,899.

[00:13:02] Oh, it's actually from the public databases of CMS and HHS. Perhaps to... No, that personal space would be impossible. Well, this is public information because it's public tax dollars that you guys are receiving. Yeah, but do you guys have 7,000 members, for instance? You have 7,000 members. Okay, well, that's what... It says you have 7,899 in 2024. And then...

[00:13:32] So, that's not true. 7,000? Yeah, so you guys... Are you guys over-billing then? Because you guys are getting paid per patient $1,600. And that's how you guys got $12.9 million in 2024. I don't know how the card delayed. But I don't remember... I don't remember all the numbers. But did you have 7,000? I think you'd remember if you had... No, I don't... You don't have 7,000 members. Yeah.

[00:13:59] So, how can you guys bill for 7,000 people that... Well, you... Like, $12.9 million on 7,000 patients. Oh, we just had 7,000 goes on patients. I don't know where they came. Are you committing fraud? Please, come on. Like, are these numbers wrong? $12.9 million? That's a lot of money. $12.9 million. All right, we will leave. You couldn't have just answered the question. Now people are going to be wondering if you can be a fraud. But why do you keep asking me? I said, I don't want to. I'll tell you the information. Well... Then what? These are taxed period dollars, so... What?

[00:14:29] So, I don't have to tell you... We're sick of people defrauding our tax. This guy received $12.9 million. And right here it says it had 7,899 patients. We then left and the same guy came downstairs. So, we just ran the numbers. And once again, we did the math. That's $12.9 million divided by 7,899. $1.6 thousand per patient. And literally would have been impossible to have 7,000. That's like a small concert. You realize that, right?

[00:14:58] This money comes straight from Medicaid. Yes. Sir, so you technically have a small concert, an arena full of people up in there. That's how much you guys are billing people for. You realize how impossible that is, right? You realize that's literally impossible to have 7,8 thousand people inside of your daycare. You're billing. You receive $12.9 million in 2024. I'm telling you to stop. Stop threatening me.

[00:15:28] I'm telling you to stop committing fraud. No. Sir. Is it possible to have 7,000 people on that one floor? Like that's how simple it is. Just answer the question. After he couldn't answer any other questions, he then called the cops on us. That's ridiculous. So the fraudster is going to call the cops on us. You do realize you're calling the cops on yourself, right? So this is how the operation works. They bring them in through the transportation company. They bring them in right through this door into this adult daycare.

[00:15:57] And then they bill Medicaid. 7,000 people are supposed to fit on that second floor right there. 7,000 people is the size of a small arena. You realize you just called the cops on yourself, right? For committing fraud. What's that? Well, I did. $12.9 million. 7,000 patients are nowhere to be seen. Dude just snitched on himself. Hello, man. How are you? Does this daycare give kickbacks? Does this daycare pay you to come here?

[00:16:26] No, we're here. She just said yes. She said yeah. God bless you. That lady just like burned him without even knowing. She just said they gave kickbacks. She said yeah. What's her then? Sir, this operation here is pretty crazy. $44 million from that one place. And as we left the daycare, one of the patients wanted us to take a photo. Wow, looks so fancy. You go into daycare? Hey, you're going to daycare. At sunrise?

[00:16:56] You go to sunrise? No. That lady's enrolled into a daycare, but she does not look like she needs to go to a daycare. So you have all these people right now who are enrolled into these daycares. And then because these people receive upwards of $12.9 million, they're able to then give those kickbacks to people just like that lady, for example. Are you enrolled to daycare here? No. What do you think about all the fraudsters committing fraud at these daycares? Hey, listen. I've seen you on TV all over the country, man. I'm really for you, man.

[00:17:25] So that building right there, Sunrise Senior Service, they received $12.9 million. They did? Yes. Yep. For 7,899 adults. It's an adult daycare. I bet you're frustrated. Yeah, definitely. Now we're outside of Beautiful Palace Daycare. This place received $9.4 million. And it said it had 8,060 patients. And per patient, that is $1,200. And they spent $8.4 million in adult daycare.

[00:17:54] And they spent $1 million on transportation. The thing is, these people are smart. Now that the fraudsters are on high alert, there are actually people inside of these daycares. However, these places are billing for 8,000 patients. It's quite a bit possible to have 8,000 patients inside of these buildings. You can bury the 800 in that thing. As you enter, you can see your tax dollars at work as Koreans are using it to play board games and play bingo inside an adult daycare. So let's see if we can roll Debbie into some daycare. My name is Nick. We're coming through.

[00:18:23] We were just here over at Sunrise Senior Daycare. And we've been going to a few of the daycares right here, trying to look for the best one possible for our grandma Debbie. Oh, well, because I'm busy running down daycare? No, no, we're looking for a good one for our grandma potentially. Oh, but I mean, we don't accept the new members, right? No members? Why not? Because we have... How many do you guys have? It says you guys have 8,000 patients here. Around 8,000. Oh, who say that? HHS.

[00:18:53] Yeah, we're looking for potential places for our grandma that aren't fraudulent. So this comes from the public HHS Medicaid provider spending data set. We don't have the ones. But $9.4 million. Do you guys have 8,000 patients? No. No. Do you guys bill for 8,000 patients in 2024? Yeah, that is too much. But you billed it and it's fraudulent. It is a lot, right? $9.4 million. That's crazy. So you guys receive money from Medicaid? No. What are you talking about?

[00:19:23] No, so this is all self-funded by the elders? What inspection for what insurance company? I've seen no insurance company that... So you have not received money from Medicaid then? None more. None B, right? And remember this guy because we'll be coming back to him later with Dr. Oz. Everyone is on high alert right now. No one can justify the numbers. As we're leaving now, these locations are calling everyone. It's alleged that this has ties with potentially the Chinese mafia.

[00:19:52] And a lot of this money is being funneled. And no one really knows exactly where it's going to. We do know that fraudsters here in the United States oftentimes are foreigners. And it's oftentimes foreign governments that have infiltrated our government and are taking our benefits to then funnel and take that money to these other countries. And right now, as we are going to these locations, they're receiving millions upon millions of dollars. Right now in the calling market, there is an 8% chance that Mondami, the mayor of New York City, will pass the 2% millionaire pact before 2027. All these people that are becoming newfound millionaires,

[00:20:22] if it passes, are going to have to start paying an extra 2% on their taxes as well. Yeah, so they played themselves. Kind of an interesting perspective. We're outside of Hyros Team Adult Daycare. This place in 2025, it made $7.6 million. Its initial startup was in 2024. So it went from non-existing in 2023, existing in 2024, and then 2025, it went and made $7.6 million. Here we go. And as we arrived, one of the staff was right there waiting for us.

[00:20:52] Hello. How are you doing? Waiting for us? Yeah. Nice to meet you, sir. Yeah. Is this Hyros Team Adult Daycare? Received $7.6 million in 2025? Not sure. Okay, well, I'd like to enroll my grandma Debbie. I'd like to enroll my grandma Debbie. Can I get some paperwork? Businesses booming here at the daycare. They have it pumping right now. Got all the elderly out here right now. This place made $7.6 million in 2025.

[00:21:23] It actually is because it's our tax dollars. It's public information from the HHS. So what? So what? Do you pay on what will this next? No, I paid quite a bit of taxes this last year, though. I don't care. Do you have a problem with us being here? Yeah. They're disturbing your fraud. Oh, I didn't mean to disturb you. I was just asking about our tax dollars. $7.6 million for this daycare. New York Medicaid adult daycare payments from CMS.

[00:21:51] We're just asking questions about the numbers, sir. But if you don't want to answer, it's all right. There's an story. Like 2147 Street. Three white guys. Three white guys are here in the Bay. What do you mean? They are disturbing us. He's calling the cops on us now. We're just asking numbers about the public information. The reason why we're asking these questions is because this is tax dollars. This is New York Medicaid that people pay taxes into. $7.6 million.

[00:22:20] And I think people are just curious, where is this money going? And how is it being spent? With Medicaid? Well, this is Medicaid. This comes straight from their numbers. We're curious about what the money is going to. So we're coming straight to the source. And if there's nothing to hide, I don't know why you guys just can't answer the questions. I just don't feel a reason why we need to answer it. And now we're not saying exactly that all these businesses are fraud. However, we are showing you where our tax dollars are going.

[00:22:47] And when these people do receive $7.6 million, or we're simply asking, why do you guys need that money? And they can't answer any of the questions. It does make you speculate a few things. Now we were speculated about the fraud on this daycare. However, we then talked to one of the transportation ladies who drives one of the vans. And she says that this daycare is the same one as Sunrise. And they built this daycare because they needed another spot to put the clientele from Sunrise. Fraudulent. So this daycare started in 2024. And its second year in business, they made $7.6 million.

[00:23:17] That is so budgetary. That explains a lot. Sunrise Daycare just over there, they made $12.9 million. This place Sunrise is one. I guess it's so big that they opened this one too. So these are two daycares. So if the seniors are not here, they're over there. And so altogether, that place has made upwards of $20 million. Whoever is a business owner of Hydro Scene and Sunrise Adult Daycare. Whether that's one person or a partner, that's a lot of money within just this one block.

[00:23:47] That's about $20 million. Now we're outside of B&B Adult Daycare. This location made $5.5 million. That is our tax dollars, by the way. That's where they build Medicaid. And they averaged 241 beneficiaries per day. On their peak day of business, they had 348 beneficiaries. That comes out of $27,000 paid in one day. That is five times above the national average for adult daycare centers. Let's see what kind of operation B&B has going on.

[00:24:17] And I want to keep in mind, we're not targeting any community or any race, anybody. This is just straight from the numbers that we pulled. And these are the numbers that have the most amount of money and have the most amount of suspicious activity going on. So it has nothing to do with Koreans, Asian community. This just has something to do with fraud. I don't have anything to do with any particular community. And money, that's tax dollars they're going to. And we're not saying each location is fraudulent. We're just showing you more than anything where our money is going.

[00:24:46] What do you guys do inside the daycare? What do you do inside the daycares? In the daycare, what do you do? I do. What do you do? Speaking English. English and piano and the thing for everything. Wow, it is booming in here. Wow, this location right now is hot. They got this place filled with seniors. We're just going through a lot of daycares here today. You have B&B? Yeah. Yeah, why are you guys here? Oh, we're just going through some of the daycares around the area.

[00:25:16] Can we talk to you guys out here? Yes, for you. Who's that thing for? Do you work for B&B? No. No. I'm not working on it. I'm not working on it. So the auditors are all coming through today. What a coincidence. Annual checkup. Where are the odds that the day Nick Shirley shows up to have a day? I'm going to annual checkup. All of the avenues that are happening are very, very slim. So you guys just received $5.5 million in 2025. In your pre-day, you guys have 341. Yeah, right here.

[00:25:44] So how come one day you guys had 348 beneficiaries? I didn't answer. Can you give me a comment? We don't need a permit to film. She's... But do you think there is fraud taking place here inside some of these daycares, ma'am? Can you give me your ID? Can you give me your ID? Give me your ID.

[00:26:14] Okay, cool. So give each other your ID. Give me your ID as well. Give me your ID first. No. It sounds like I'm going to give you my ID. My name is Nick Shirley. I have nothing to hide. For you guys' benefit, it would help if you guys could just answer. I don't want the banner to you. What's next? What's... Every...

[00:26:43] The Range Rover's pulling up right here. They can't funded at all daycares. It's strange that you guys received $5.5 million from Medicaid. Yeah, that's exactly why they get into it. They're freaking out right now. The provider weight, they're so high. This side right now, which one in... You speak English, sir? And nobody's speaking English here. Yeah, all of our tax dollars are going to locations just like these. This comes straight from New York Medicaid. And all we're doing is simply asking where the money is going, because this is straight from New York Medicaid, but nobody will be able to answer any of our questions.

[00:27:12] Hello, ma'am. Do you want to answer any questions? $5.5 million went to this location. Yeah, they can't even answer a single question. Bro, love your video. Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it. What are you doing over here? Yeah. What do you think about all these adult daycares? Crazy. This place, for instance, right here, B&B, they received $5.5 million. Are you serious? I'm serious. I don't know, bro. There's a lot of them. I'll say that. You think your tax dollars should be going to... If they needed it, and what my old people playing cards that they needed to be taken care of,

[00:27:42] right here in this street, there's another daycare. Silver Town Daycare has this entire plaza. This is the daycare right here. And it's more of just like a cafeteria than anything. Looks like some people are coming out. What's your take on all the daycares popping up here in this part of Flushing Queens? Oh, we're just doing a documentary on all the daycares. Do you think fraud is taking place inside the adult daycare industry here? I definitely, definitely. Definitely, yeah. But... Are you committing fraud?

[00:28:13] Hopefully not. Hopefully not. So let's say you guys aren't committing fraud, but these other daycares are. What kind of fraud do you think they are committing? And do you think some seniors do receive kickbacks for going to some of the daycares? There are rumors, but there's no, you know, path free, anything concrete, you know, proof or evidence. Does this daycare pay you to come here? No, we're... Do you notice a lot of these adult daycares popping up around here? I'm running for assembly, actually. And what do you think about adult daycares here?

[00:28:43] I know that they all steal money, you know? I mean, that's just part of politics. So 100% there. And you, as you live around this area, what kind of rumors do you hear about the fraud that does take place? How does it work? Well, the thing is, is that social services are supposed to be for the residents. They're supposed to be for the retirees, the elderly, right? And there's only a certain number of social services available for those that require it. But because there's so much money involved, because the money is just coming from the government

[00:29:12] and it's not accounted for, then of course they're going to be taking it. And all it does is it takes it away from the taxpayers, the elderly, the retirees, you know, those are the people that are affected. Those are the people that are left out because they don't have a voice. You know, the elected political dynasties that have been running Queens and New York for so long, they're held to their donors. And the people that donate to them

[00:29:40] are these NGOs and special interests, which then they funnel the money back into them. And that's really the problem. Keeps the cycle going. So there's a never-ending cycle of fraud that takes place here because, for instance, right here, the transportation company just pulled up. They receive money from the daycare. They also then bill out the pharmacies that are around the block and the durable medical equipment companies. And then on top of that, that money gets funneled back into the politicians' campaigns and they continue to push their agendas. Yeah. And there's no oversight, right? There's no way to check any of this fraud,

[00:30:08] but they write it in such a way legally to where technically it's not. You know what I mean? But it's not right. You know, and that's the issue. Outside of this daycare, we got a Mercedes. It's got an M3 BMW right here. Lots of nice cars rolling around these daycares. Got a Porsche right there. Another Porsche right there. Here at Living Well Daycare, this place received $8.6 million in 2025. And they're the largest payee

[00:30:36] among a lot of these flushing daycares. In fact, they averaged 271 beneficiaries per day. Their peak day of business, they had 406 beneficiaries. And on that day of business, they made $41,580. That is 5.6 times the national average... Let's go see what kind of business they're operating. And Living Well received $8.6 million in 2025. And on their peak day of business,

[00:31:06] they billed the state for 406 beneficiaries. My name is Nick Shirley. Hello, with only NDS cell phone. And, uh, sir, can you just ask it, answer the questions? No. So, we just come straight with the facts and they start running in $8.6 million in 2025. Sletchings Queen is full of adult daycare businesses that, uh, I believe are operating fraudulently. None of them will answer any questions. And we're coming straight with the facts, straight from the data sets that are public for all of you to see.

[00:31:36] Now, what's crazy about this fraud here in New York City is that adult daycares is actually only a small percentage of the fraud. The home healthcare industry is filled with fraud from the pharmacies to the durable medical equipment companies to the home healthcare agencies that operate. Now, we're going to be diving deep into each one of these and say, I guess it could be people coming out to evaluate you for the money that anything that comes to your house in New York City in 2018,

[00:32:05] they billed $3.5 billion. However, in 2024, it is now costing $11.5 billion and that number is only growing. So, we have some locations here. We've arrived and here at this building, Red Sun Home Care has billed the government $87.9 million from 2018 to 2024 and in 2024, they billed the government $17.2 million and just in 2024,

[00:32:34] they had 122,000 claims and since 2018, they've had over 674,000 claims. What's really crazy about this is they're billing all of this off of one service, off of one code, 99.86% of their $87.9 million in revenue comes from one service, from one code. The number is extremely, extremely high. Let's see what happens.

[00:33:03] Here we are in Red Sun. Hello. How are you doing? Is this in Korean or Chinese? I would say Chinese. Yeah, we have some questions about Red Sun Home Care. Yes. For instance, in 2024, billed over $17 million and there was 122,000 claims. Could we speak to someone? Hello.

[00:33:33] How's it going? Good. We're just doing some digging around here inside of Flushing and inside of just New York City in general with some of the excessive billing of home care. And it says here, for instance, there's been $87.9 million in revenue off of one code. 99.86% of all that revenue has come from one code, one service. What's the main service you have to provide? I mean, where you get that. Oh, it's straight from the databases that the government has.

[00:34:03] HHS. Yeah, the HHS, Health and Human Services and the CMS. It's public data because you guys receive public funds from taxpayers so that information then left public. Does that sound about right? That nine? I have no idea. I don't know what is. What's your organization? My name's Nick. Nick Shirley. But so like, what's the, what's the Nick Shirley from Nick Shirley? I work by myself.

[00:34:32] What's the main service you guys provide? I can't. Well, I mean, 99% of all your services come from one code. Can we talk to somebody? But this is the operation of a company that received over $87 million in the past six years. This is for home care, but they're building off one code. They want to give us any clarification on what they actually do. So your tax dollars are going to a location that doesn't even want to answer the question about where $89 million

[00:35:02] went off of one code. Kind of crazy. Inside of this area of New York City, you'll notice that there's these kind of buildings that pop up everywhere. They're called pharmacies and they actually also share with another LLC that's called a DME, a durable medical equipment company. So this location right here, this one location they have registered JD Drugstore and JD Plus Pharmacy. So one of those is actually a DME company and then one's a pharmacy and what they do is they work together to then work also

[00:35:30] with like the adult daycares or home care systems around the area and they send them to a location like this to provide them service is an equipment that they actually don't need. And the Medicaid and Medicare wheel continues to spin and spin and spin because it's a never-ending revolving door between the adult daycare centers, the home care centers, these durable medical equipment companies, the transportation companies and just one big flywheel that keeps it all running. And right here in this location they're operating two companies that receive money from Medicaid and Medicare

[00:36:00] inside of one location. Let's see what's going on. So whether this is a place where they store it or they send out the payments, the problem with these locations is that a lot of fraud is committed by people like the adult daycares who then send orders into this location and they actually want to provide the equipment. So it creates this whole entire operation where people are saying we need this and we need that. However, they actually don't need this or that and on average these locations make anywhere from two to eight million dollars according to CMS industry standards. So it's safe to say a location like this is making around

[00:36:29] four million dollars a year. So here inside of these residential apartment complexes we have some DME companies, durable medical equipment companies that receive money from New York Medicaid and it's a bit fishy that they're operating inside of these residential apartment complexes. So we're going to see what's going on. We have Premier, Lifeline and Next Gen. They're all operating out of one apartment. Let's see what's going on. Hello. How's it going, ma'am? My name is Nick. Is Premier DME here?

[00:36:59] DME? Yeah. Yeah. Here, three durable medical equipment companies were launched within just a few months apart here and that takes money from Medicaid and Medicare services. And so we're wondering like where's the equipment at? She has a door and walk. But, so do you guys not have any of the equipment here? No. So, how come your husband has this address registered as the location

[00:37:26] for three different companies that receive money from Medicaid for durable medical equipment? I don't know. He's coming to me. My car for all the I don't know. I shouldn't like. Do you know what kind of equipment he sells? No, no, no. I don't have a job. I don't get anything. But does he sell durable medical equipment? I don't. At home? Nothing, not.

[00:37:57] I don't get anything. These durable medical equipment companies are full of fraud. I met up with Dr. Oz who is the head administrator of CMS Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services to go deep into the fraud in this sector of New York City from the daycares, pharmacies, durable medical equipment companies. This place is full of fraud and Dr. Oz is going to die deep into it with me and also even confront some of the fraudsters themselves. Be prepared to learn a lot. Inside of this

[00:38:27] apartment complex, one apartment alone, there is three DME companies operating out of one apartment. Is that even possible? And it says that these places can make about two to eight million dollars a year. First off, was there anything in the apartment suite you went to it? Absolutely nothing. There was a mom and her children and the husband was out. It's almost certainly fraud. First off, it's two to eight million a month, believe it or not, when they really get to scale. They may just be at that number now, but these guys grow like vermin

[00:38:56] very quickly. There's twice as many durable medical suppliers in South Florida than McDonald's because it's easier to open one than a bank account. And the person named in the account is never the person who actually owns the business. In South Florida, the Cuban government's involved. I don't know where these guys are getting their money to go, but they're definitely shipping it somewhere. And that's why I get very nervous about foreign governments getting entangled in this. But to open three in one apartment makes no sense, especially when there's no product there. All you're doing is gaming the system and the fact that we didn't audit it, didn't catch it, didn't stop it, and they're probably out there making money

[00:39:26] infuriates me and should bother folks out there because it's your tax dollars paying for this. So it's literally impossible for someone to be operating a durable medical company outside, inside of an apartment. Inside an apartment with no goods and two other durable medical equipment suppliers, that's a major red flag, the kind you walk into the battle with. So three LSCs inside of one apartment. You cannot put 10, 10, 10, 15 chairs into one apartment. That's crazy. I went over to a daycare that had a pharmacy on one side and another medical

[00:39:55] facility on the other side, which goes to show the perfect example of a location that uses an adult daycare to carry out other forms of fraud. In these durable medical equipment, that's this part itself, wheelchairs, walkers, all that. They have people's orders because they are the go-between between the manufacturer and you. And at least for me anyway, I think this is standard, but at least for me anyway, there's usually a

[00:40:24] physical or occupational of therapists at the patients that saw these things being like, I think you should get this on your chair. I think you would like this. And they have chairs there, both for people to come pick up or that they have to deliver or to have for you to test out. They usually have these 10 or 15 chair and there's no way you could fit even five in one

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[00:42:23] place at wheelwithit.com slash followers. Now, let's get back to the conversation. Now, back to the Leo. They might be working together. Often, that's the case. One of the clues we have is if the social adult daycare center is running a lot of other businesses, a good example might be they're doing transportation. And so it makes us concerned. So this one was actually shut down, the original one, and didn't take long for another one to sprout right up again. This facility was shut down, back up again. It makes you wonder if the person that you went after was really the appropriate culprit

[00:42:53] because maybe they're just, you know, the front line guy who's doing the beckoning of the boss. The minion here is following the orders of the Don. And when the Don says, okay, you're out of business, you move on to some other endeavor, I'll take care of you. Let's put new people in place of it. It's very hard for law enforcement to catch up. The big issue with these centers is not that they're providing social adult daycare, it's that it's a clubhouse for criminals. It allows these folks who are running these centers to pull together a bunch of seniors who might be innocent, walk in there, and

[00:43:22] they say, listen, I'll give you a little side cash. Let me have that number that you have, your insurance card, and I'm going to use that as a credit card against the government. I'm going to charge New York State, who's going to then charge the federal government, all that money launders through the system, gets cleaned up in different ways, and it builds a massive criminal enterprises. This business entity, this social adult daycare center, which I'm pretty sure none of your listeners have ever heard of, generated $2.5 billion over the last three years in New York State, of which

[00:43:51] almost all, $2.1 billion was right here in Flushing, Queens, and Brooklyn next door, and the surrounding areas. You go 10 miles to Long Island from here, doesn't exist, doesn't happen. So if you're me, and I'm supposed to protect the federal tax dollars, it makes you very concerned. Something's wrong. When all the money's spent in one place, and what's the problem is, it's now starting to metastasize. This bad idea, the fraud, is starting to spread. Because it's not like adults just live in one spot here in New York City. So if you have highly concentrated adult daycares

[00:44:20] only in Flushing, Queens, or in Brooklyn, for instance, and then you shut down a business, and then you pop back up underneath a different name or different person, you haven't actually got the guy who's on top, because they're just using, like you said, the minions to then carry out the efforts of the top-level fraudster. The reason this hasn't got on my radar is because of what you're saying. You realize there are much bigger powers at play. And the reason I started thinking that, and I think a lot of others are now also sort of wondering the same questions I'm having, is, how is it possible we let this happen?

[00:44:49] Is this really a flaw in the system, or is it a feature? Are there good things that might happen if you're running government, if you have this kind of fraud? So in this case, these guys bring together all the seniors. They say, here's the deal. I'm going to give you some money, but I want you to pretend like you're getting personal care services at home. Now, personal care services, remember, these are things your family would do for you, right? So let's just say, for example, that you've got someone carrying the groceries for you, or driving you to an office, or taking care of some issues your family would normally manage for

[00:45:19] you. It's hard to police that. But what it does do is it creates jobs. So now all of a sudden, you've got basically the federal government hiring people to take care of all the people who come out of here. And all those services, although the state initially pays for them, the federal taxpayer picks up the tab. That's what pays the ultimate bill. And now you have a jobs program. Listen carefully. The most common job in the state of New York by twofold is personal care services that are hired when you go to one of these programs. Think about that.

[00:45:49] Twice as many jobs as any in the entire state are created by personal care services. And now they're unionizing those folks, which now creates a separate flow of money. Union dues translate into political support. So it's basically political patronage. And that should be illegal. So these people are really just taking and looting from federal dollars and state dollars as well, which puts some numbers on it. When you've been Medicaid, the state, for example, that runs this program, it's paid for by

[00:46:19] New York state dollars, but they get two thirds of the money back from the federal taxpayer, which means if you're watching right now from New Mexico, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, even Illinois and California, if you're watching from there, you're helping to pay for this. Congratulations. You own a little bit of the business. You look around here, not to be specific, because it can be any ethnic group, but this area seems to be overwhelmingly ethnic Chinese. They're very insular. They're very much proud of their heritage. They speak the same language, same cultures. They hang with each other. They don't want to tell on each other.

[00:46:48] I was actually walking through the streets here and a charge nurse of mine from Columbia, where I practiced for many years. I'm a professor there. She was, this woman is tough as nails. And she ran up to me and she was so happy to see me. And then she noticed folks around me, you know, with guns. She said, why are you here? I said, I'm looking at these social adult day care centers. Abject fear. I mean, panic. She says, you have to leave now. I can't be seen with you. And she ran away, which means that people just, they both are living in fear because there's actual danger here. This is also, by the way, the hub of human

[00:47:17] trafficking in the eastern part of the country. But it also means that these kinds of businesses are worth fighting over. And that's why it's not easy to take them out. We then headed into one of the adult daycares and we started asking people about the activities that they do. Do you like playing ping pong here? Do you think taxpayers should pay for you to play ping pong? On top of the government ping pong, we're also paying for garment funded Tai Chi classes for the elderly Koreans. So right now we have some people doing some Tai Chi over here. Our tax dollars are paying

[00:47:47] for old people to do Tai Chi here inside of New York. She might wonder, is that the best use of dollars or shall we better off paying for life-saving treatments in hospitals? And the whole concept, this is again, you know, decades ago, but it's now become a feverish pitch is pay for people so they stay out of the hospital, don't pay for them to go on the hospital. That makes perfect sense in theory. But when reality meets the road, sometimes it's ugly. You get roadkill. And unfortunately, we're not paying for services that historically people do in

[00:48:17] their own homes. You know, somebody would actually open up their home and let people dance in there. Instead, we've now weaponized this funding stream. And now we're building a lot of these social adult daycare centers. And it allows folks who are illegitimate to take control. And I think that's the wrestling match we're having right now in our country. Should we be paying for things we can't monitor, that are unlicensed, unsupervised? How do you grade if the Tai Chi is taught well so you know whether to pay for it? Meanwhile, there's a mother struggling to pay her medical bills. Meanwhile, there's someone

[00:48:46] doing a pipe sheet here inside of Flushing, Queens, in an industry that receives $2 billion of taxpayer funds. Just here. Just in this, you know, within a few miles of where we are in Flushing. Because that would have been the whole state of New York. And you've got other parts of the country, they don't really use these that much. But what if they did? What if all of a sudden, every part of the country, including rural America, where 60 million people live, but don't do any of these things because they go to their neighbor's home and do it? What happens if they all start doing it? Very soon, that part of the healthcare bill grows. And guess who pays for it? You.

[00:49:15] Comes out of your pocket, you pay your tax dollars. And you don't have a choice because it's part of the federal tax. And then everyone says, well, taxes are too high or we don't have enough money for healthcare. No, we have enough money for high quality care. So I'm going to blow your mind. You ready? Hold on tight. Double digit number of pharmacies. How many pharmacies do you need on this little strip of terrain in Flushing? Come on, I'll show you this. Double digit pharmacies. You can't even believe this is true unless you see it. There's a strip there. There are more than half a dozen pharmacies. Back to back to back. The question is, how many

[00:49:45] pharmacies do you need back to back to back to back? Now, if I was running a restaurant, I might think about it because it's a food court. This is like a pharmacy court. So you got one here, one right there. Number two, another pharmacy. Again, the question becomes, how many do you actually need? Another pharmacy. I'm losing track, but there's no one. It's like a game show. So right here we have another adult daycare. Oh my God. Across the street. Is everybody like on drunk? I mean, after a while you start to realize. Oh, what?

[00:50:15] That's not right. And then you actually look at the books, the finances, which is my job, and we see billions of dollars being spent on social adult daycare, which it seems inconceivable. The spot we just walked into, they have 15 people. He says they see 25 people a day. What if I could run a business that made millions of dollars and seeing 15, 25 people not doing anything except playing video games and mahjong and some yoga? And another adult daycare right there.

[00:50:46] After a while, it's almost clutters your mind to bench you more. There's still coming more. There are more pharmacies. Another pharmacy right there. Yeah, another one right there. Another pharmacy right here. Oh, my God. We're done with it just now. It's like the kids in the back of the seat pointing out the obvious. Everywhere you look, there's something having to do with health care. And what, again, is mind blowing is there is no way you would build a facility, a street, and think you'd have more than 10 pharmacies on it. I don't think you anywhere in

[00:51:16] America and think that was normal unless there was a cash cow business that was feeding into it. Which, again, raises our concerns that there's something that doesn't meet the eye. And look around. These folks tend to be from China and Korea. They don't want us here. We are from the outside. They don't share our culture. Getting these folks to talk to us about what is going on here has been really difficult. We have another pharmacy. Of course. And essentially, all you feel need is the medical beneficiary number, and that is worth more than any credit card that a senior can give anybody.

[00:51:46] Some of the drugs in these pharmacies cost more than a car. Think about that. The lady from the pharmacy actually was a fan of Dr. Oz, and she said that a lot of people come into her pharmacy asking her, what does she give? Why do those other pharmacies open up there? They're all over the place. I have no idea. They're doing something funny. Okay. And they're just... Explain to me what funny needs. I mean, I... Come in and ask me, what do you give? We don't give any big stuff. Okay, sorry. What do the other people, do they ask for, like,

[00:52:15] money or kickbacks in exchange for... Well, we don't do that. You... How do they... It hurts people like you who are operating a business legally, and then you have other people who are taking advantage of the system, and now you have elderly coming and asking for kickbacks or money in exchange for medicine. You want us to stop the fraud? It's a simple question. Would it be better for you if the bad actors stopped taking kickbacks and bribing patients and working with the social adult day care? Yeah, of course.

[00:52:45] Guess who's destroying these businesses? The fraudsters down the road. If we don't take out bad people, they hurt good people. Not taking out evil is itself evil. I then took Dr. Oz to Beautiful Palace Daycare, which had received over $9.4 million last year alone, and at this daycare, they were all scrambling to try and cover up the fraud. Give me a rough IV. How many patients do you see here, do you think, today? Yes. Today? Yes. Today? Yeah. We have the, already,

[00:53:14] today already, but, uh, pull up. Oh, of course. All right. Well, just to give me a quick idea to that, because there's no one reading. Yeah. So, today, I'm not sure because you need, uh, Just on average. Oh, yeah. Average, yeah. At 50? 50. 50. We have a bunch of ships. Yeah, 50. Would it even be possible for you to have 8,000 different stations? 8,000? Yes. 8,000 patients? Yes.

[00:53:44] Actually, I have an idea for the numbers. Would it be possible to have 8,000 patients here? He was like, when? 8,000 patients? Yeah, when? I'm not sure. Throughout the year? Last year. Last year. Actually, I don't know. I have no idea. But would it be possible for you guys who run this daycare to handle 8,000 different patients in one year? Theoretically. Confidence. Who owns the business? Um, the bosses. We do owners. She, I'm not sure. Yeah, I have. You must know who owns the business.

[00:54:15] We just have the managers, the owners, um, and every other side. Have you ever met the owners? No. Yeah. Who's managing the business? Um, the direct, um, the ladies. Yeah. That's, uh, I don't know. You don't know who employed you? No, no. I just hired in last week. Uh, last month. Who hired you? And how long have you all been working here? How? All a month?

[00:54:44] What happened to people who were here before last month? They all left? Why would everybody leave in one month? You mean the patient, the members? The people working here. You all started last month. The staff? The staff. When I came here, I just met them and, uh, they are already, uh, set up, so I really don't know about it. And did you all, you all started working here last month? Oh, it's not

[00:55:17] 10 months. Wow. So it sounds like you guys got a whole new staff here. Awesome. Well, thank you for your time. Appreciate you. Have a good day. Some major red flags right there. All the people have just started working there in the past month, they said. They said. I mean, their past employees left. The entire fund office is last month, or it's not what's happening. Some of these things we don't have to be able to check on, but if you're bringing all new people in, there's a problem. They don't know really who their manager is. They don't have any idea who the owner is.

[00:55:46] In fact, they're a little scared of talking about the fact that there's an owner. And they weren't willing to acknowledge that 8,000 patients, I mean, that was a great question. How do you get 8,000 patients through this door here a year? Impossible. They admitted it. These people don't want to say who the owner is because they don't know it. And that also helps us confirm like, is this like some sort of mafia that's running this whole entire ring around here? Because they don't even know who their employer is. That's a question everyone should be asking themselves. If I worked in a business, I would pretty quickly learn who was the actual owner.

[00:56:15] I know the manager. If the whole front office was hired that month, I'd be a little concerned. And yet they seem to be playing cards with each other and exchanging winks and glances and, you know, tipping each other off that they shouldn't be going any further. And they had no interest in you looking at the facility, which is another red flag because if you're proud of the facility, you'd brag on it. You wouldn't pretend you were seeing, they made up a number of 50 patients a day, which I don't think that's possible. I only saw one table back there that such people at it.

[00:56:46] Everyone's innocent until proving guilty in a court of law. So that was insane. That was crazy. The fact that they've been getting away with this for years is insane. Who needs that many pharmacies in one, on one street? It was like a strip mall for pharmacies. And then, half of them didn't even want you to tour the building. Which, I mean, what legit facility didn't want you to tour,

[00:57:15] doesn't want you to tour the building? And then they were like, they said they could fit like 8,000, like, I don't know what the number was, but like 8,000 people on that one little room in the second floor? That's not gonna happen. So I'm glad it's being exposed. I'm sorry that it's taken this long, but I'm glad it's being exposed now. If you wanna learn what we're doing to try to reform welfare

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